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Making a Wordpress/Joomla style webpage is low effort.
Leadership seems to be absent, no direction at this place.
Disorganized, unmanaged, poor quality
Not much changed since inception, 2+ years is no excuse for some of the basic illigocal desisions made.
Some of this stuff is basic website design.
Categories are disorganized
Tools should not have Crypto Cards, accounts, prepaid stuff. it should be Tools
Clothes should not have Jewelry and other non clothing items
Cash to XMR and XMR to Cash should not have Fees And/Or Markups for a P2P Trade, and Especially for In Person or Cash by Mail.
Fees And/Or MarkUps of any kind, should be banned. by the P2P
Businesses and Redirects/Promotions for Exchanges, Trades, other should not be allowed
its useless, its P2P. not Shilling a Shitty Business.
Banners are stupid, pointless and wasted real estate
boosted is stupid, pointless and wasted real estate. And its used by the Scammers, Shills and Pseudo Businesses promoting their B.S. example was that Scam Cow exchange or the gift cards endlessly promoted.
IF the Pseudo Crypto exchange, business wants Promotion, XMR should use the Donation $$$ to Promote XMR bazaar to various places. websites, podcasts and not Crypto Fags but on Normie site type Promoting.
banners, boosted and other pointless stuff is doing nothing for trades and only redirecting traffic to the Pseudo Business.
Pseudo Business, Pseudo Traders, Pseudo Traders of any kind should not be allowed to Publish Listings.
this is not P2P, they are just Promoting.
I have not figured a solution for the stupid moderation/fraud check. Yet
The Proof thing is pointless, a lot of Traders have fake Twitter accounts or Dead Website links or some shitty Pseudo business website. its not working as it would be intended to as a Proof
Craigslist was not this Disorganized, and Scammer Infested, In the Early days Craigslist was great.
None of what I wrote is Anti-Free Market Ideology,
If XMR Bazaar was a IRL place and a bunch of Crypto Gift Card Scammers and Pseudo Businesses(Cow exchange) Smeared Shit all over the place, the other Sellers and Buyers would beat the Shit out of them.
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>Fees And/Or MarkUps of any kind, should be banned. by the P2P
XmrBazaar is deliberately hands off and lets the market decided. i see this as an upside, if people are willing to buy with markup then let them, gives me a chance to undercut them :)
>Banners are stupid, pointless and wasted real estate
disagree they give character. i think everybody here is technically gifted enough to be able to block them if they want. you could make a suggestion to be able to turn them off in account settings.
>boosted is stupid, pointless and wasted real estate
i think its a nice non intrusive way to earn money for the site, people don't survive on nothing but gratitude so the alternatives are worse like fees per order. if people wanna scam they will regardless, being forced to at least pay up seems like a good enough deterrent.
>The Proof thing is pointless, a lot of Traders have fake Twitter accounts or Dead Website links or some shitty Pseudo business website
the proof only serves a purpose if someone already has rep/identity somewhere else, then it serves its purpose. obviously proof alone does nothing, same applies to uploading a PGP and claim its owned by donald trump, if that key is also hosted on .gov site then the proof very much does works.
>None of what I wrote is Anti-Free Market Ideology
i think trying to ban people for markup and fees is very much anti free market :)
i think xmrbazzar has its issues but is the best we have by far. it gave me a way to easily get non KYC monero so its a success to me.
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Learn to type without unnecessarily Capitalizing random words In your sentences And perhaps I will take your Intelligence Seriously.
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I don't think the problems raised in the OP are the main problems. I have lost interest in the site because the top listings in the boosted section are no longer interesting.
It was cool to see honey products right there at the top, or a bike, or land. That felt like a real marketplace and all in Monero. But when I arrive on the front page now, it's all SIMs, crypto swaps, SMS services, etc. Boring. As. Hell.
If I start a Monero marketplace, I would block those categories of listings and just have "wholesome" listings like pre-loved clothes, cheese, necklaces, etc. Make it like eBay but in XMR. It used to look far more inviting when it was like that.
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This literally is manipulation, groups of scammers and pseudo traders and pseudo businesses are
manipulating the markets. by charging fees aka taxes on P2P trades. and this is why nobody is trading on here, haveno, bisq. maybe 0.1 % of the listings are low fees, the rest are 3+% and/or a Markup
Cool, your opinion about it having character has nothing to do with the Tech and usefulness of it.
okay define Nice..... It's just your preferenc, but doesn't refute my claim of wasted real estate and used by bad actors.
its literally boosting scammers, pseudo exchanges and people promoting offsite websites,redirecting traffic to other websites.(did you even read what I wrote)
Why repeat what I wrote, just differently?
So you actually do not know what Free Market means
the early thinkers of the idea thought it needed some interention to be sustained
there needs to be constraints, otherwise it fails.
Last reply was just anecdotal.
adding a :) after argument, does not make your arguments valid.
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As an entrepreneur myself I know things take their time.
I think that the implementation of messenger notifications etc is huge step forwards.
But I agree:
I hate to say but the UI is simple but the browsing is shitty. If this platform wants to provide a better UX we need better default page with the possibility to set a region as default search so see non digital listings, to encourage the hole p2p selling of goods like on eBay tax free (unless vendor) but using monero as payment.
Maybe make the default page when logged in into a proper dashboard split into header , your listings status and notifications regarding messages. than an physical goods section, a service section and than a digital goods section which are all searchable tabs like iframes or so. So the hole SMS , Crypto , Service what ever is split.
Physical goods has everyone, everyone needs monero. Promote selling of that stuff instead of mainly promoting boosted shit and digital products.
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Like, that's just your opinion, man.
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I wouldn't call it failed, persay. If something fails to meet your expectations, you should probably ask if your expectations are reasonable. Or more importantly, what you can do about it.
The OP seems pretty misinformed / trolley. Given the username... this makes sense
As far as Money changers taking a fee, I'd say yeah. Makes sense. They are providing liquidity, a service, value. It's not unreasonable for them to take a fee for it. If you think the fees are too high, then provide the service at a lower price.
As far as the boosted posts go... makes sense. They're trying to raise revenue to help build and support the site. Why are you bitching about this? If you don't like the services being promoted, make better ones then promote them.
As far as businesses being promoted... yeah. What's more P2P than that. "Hey y'all, go to that business' website, and buy their product with XMR".
... WHERE'S THE MIDDLEMAN? 🤦♂️
As far as the site goes... yeah, it looks like they need dev & moderation help.
🤷♂️ Be a lifter, not a leaner.
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This place doesn't even charge a fee to make trades. They're basically providing free server space for absolutely nothing. I don't know how people can complain about it.
I can understand like that one whale that donated 10XMR maybe having complaints if he ever feels the site isn't going in the direction he expected, but the rest of us free user leeches really have nothing to complain about. Overall the site is really good IMO. Everything you need to make deals happen works. The rest is up to us sellers.
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Absolutely agree. This is the best platform so far that help people to trade for Monero in real economy. You don't need to have tech expertise to operate it. As long as you have service or product that is interesting you can sell it no problem.
For me personally it helped greatly because Fiverr need KYC and paypal just to get into the website. With XmrBazaar and Monero that problem just gone
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What do you expect? The Monero fanboys who are out there talking about using Monero in everyday life to buy coffee, donuts, and clothes are delusional. Monero is a crypto currency that will not automatically displace fiat currency no matter how hard people push it as a mainstream currency. The Monero economy is relatively small and the part of the users actually attempting to use it for everyday life is even smaller. Instead, it is largely dominated by digital services within the privacy, security, and darknet spaces. I like XmrBazaar and as someone who is building a platform that integrates with Monero as well (Not an eCommerce platform), I do appreciate all the work the devs have been putting into it. It is not easy especially considering the lack of resources and how confined we are within our own distant corner of the internet.
Based on my own research and activity within the field, there are two major and — more importantly — realistic use cases for Monero. The first is the darknet — buying goods and services anonymously as anonymity is a requirement and not optional for certain use cases. This one is pretty well established at this point. The second is using Monero as a proxy currency. This is already being done in a way as people buy gift cards with Monero, get others to buy items for them with Monero, and use other middlemen to access goods and services they could otherwise only purchase with fiat. The latter is something we are in desperate need of expanding. Instead of trying to artificially create demand, the smarter way of going about it is by filling the void in supply for existing demand.
How does that look in practice? Ordering affordable electronics anonymously, such as Google Pixels, Dell and Lenovo laptops, and desktop components; real proxy shops that will place orders on your behalf and ship them wherever you want them and in exchange you pay them in Monero; artists and other professionals providing legitimately good quality services; providing Monero payment gateways for existing vendors with their own websites or convincing them to provide their services on XmrBazaar in addition to their regular website. Those are just some of the examples I can think of.
You may be asking: Doesn't all this already exist? The short answer is no, not really.
Can you order Google Pixels and Laptops with Monero? Yes, but they are extremely overpriced just because they are preloaded with GrapheneOS. I would without a doubt buy most of my equipment with Monero, if they sold refurbished equipment. Why? Because there really isn't any good reason not to buy refurbished. They are substantially more affordable and looking at the current Monero demographic, it does not consist of trend chasers who need the latest and greatest hardware — it's people who desire function above all else.
Aren't there people offering proxy purchases? Yes, but not in all countries and you never know how legit the person on the other side is. They could be using stolen credit cards for all you know and next thing you know you get a visit from the police as they think you placed an order using stolen cards. This is a major risk and is currently only handled on a small scale.
Aren't there artists and developers who provide services for Monero? There are, but the artists either suck or they just use AI, which I could just as easily do myself in that case. The devs meanwhile have a limited reputation and, if you or the dev is an anon, then you have absolutely no recourse if anything goes wrong. This means you are either paying a premium for subpar work or you are getting conned in some way.
Aren't there already payment gateways for vendors, such as Cryptomus? Yes, there are, but there are a lot of vendors who know nothing about crypto, nor do they know how to even handle such an integration. Most of them aren't techies. Additionally, a big part of running a business is marketing and promotion. XmrBazaar could provide that marketing and promotion by listing services and products from those sites, which could be sold directly on XmrBazaar. This does require direct outreach to these vendors and much better marketing. Legit vendors are unlikely to sign up, if the homepage makes XmrBazaar look like another Black Hat eCommerce site.
There are many, many more things we need in the Moneroverse and some of these may be better as separate standalone services that could integrate with other software in the field, such as XmrBazaar or Trocador. There is a lot we need and it's important to focus on the things we do need.
As for those who keep complaining about the existing services, their design, or their lack of features, it isn't easy as a solo developer to actually build something and see it through. It requires significant experience and expertise that most users are unlikely to have. Most quality talent out in the world is also unlikely to forsake their comfy big tech corpo job earning 300–500k TC to build their own product within a niche space that may even give them legal headaches in the future. If they did want to build their own startup company, they would be in a much better financial and legal position, if they just kept it fully legit and on the surface.
The only people with the necessary expertise and experience left are diehard no–lifers who are mission driven more than money driven. There is a place for money in all this and I do hope all the people who legitimately care about Monero's purpose become rich as a result of their contribution, but it is not the primary driver for people who actually contribute within this space. They are driven by another purpose separate from money and they are willing to sacrifice the opportunity to attain a comfy high paying corpo job for the sake of pursuing something else. We don't have many of those people, so it's best to be supportive of them and learn to contribute yourself rather than insult them and their work.
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Beautifully put together, I couldn't say any better. If not because XmrBazaar I would be stuck figuring out how Wordpress work and pay a server for a DIY website that nobody knows about. This website greatly help new people gaining reputation for providing legit service and I always try to support it by paying listing boost every time i made a sale.
I dare to say this is one of XmrBazaar great advantage, by providing people a platform to gain reputation for themselves while being pseudo-anonymous (people only know you as a particular identity only). You certainly can do similar things on X/Twitter but here you can open your own shop. No bank account needed, just need a Monero wallet and a wits and you can already start.
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