XMR Bazaar is a failed Experiment

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Mar 26 16:14

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#1075

Making a Wordpress/Joomla style webpage is low effort.
Leadership seems to be absent, no direction at this place.

Disorganized, unmanaged, poor quality
Not much changed since inception, 2+ years is no excuse for some of the basic illigocal desisions made.
Some of this stuff is basic website design.

Categories are disorganized

Tools should not have Crypto Cards, accounts, prepaid stuff. it should be Tools

Clothes should not have Jewelry and other non clothing items

Cash to XMR and XMR to Cash should not have Fees And/Or Markups for a P2P Trade, and Especially for In Person or Cash by Mail.

Fees And/Or MarkUps of any kind, should be banned. by the P2P

Businesses and Redirects/Promotions for Exchanges, Trades, other should not be allowed
its useless, its P2P. not Shilling a Shitty Business.

Banners are stupid, pointless and wasted real estate

boosted is stupid, pointless and wasted real estate. And its used by the Scammers, Shills and Pseudo Businesses promoting their B.S. example was that Scam Cow exchange or the gift cards endlessly promoted.

IF the Pseudo Crypto exchange, business wants Promotion, XMR should use the Donation $$$ to Promote XMR bazaar to various places. websites, podcasts and not Crypto Fags but on Normie site type Promoting.

banners, boosted and other pointless stuff is doing nothing for trades and only redirecting traffic to the Pseudo Business.

Pseudo Business, Pseudo Traders, Pseudo Traders of any kind should not be allowed to Publish Listings.
this is not P2P, they are just Promoting.

I have not figured a solution for the stupid moderation/fraud check. Yet

The Proof thing is pointless, a lot of Traders have fake Twitter accounts or Dead Website links or some shitty Pseudo business website. its not working as it would be intended to as a Proof

Craigslist was not this Disorganized, and Scammer Infested, In the Early days Craigslist was great.

None of what I wrote is Anti-Free Market Ideology,
If XMR Bazaar was a IRL place and a bunch of Crypto Gift Card Scammers and Pseudo Businesses(Cow exchange) Smeared Shit all over the place, the other Sellers and Buyers would beat the Shit out of them.

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Mar 26 18:05

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#1077

>Fees And/Or MarkUps of any kind, should be banned. by the P2P

XmrBazaar is deliberately hands off and lets the market decided. i see this as an upside, if people are willing to buy with markup then let them, gives me a chance to undercut them :)

>Banners are stupid, pointless and wasted real estate

disagree they give character. i think everybody here is technically gifted enough to be able to block them if they want. you could make a suggestion to be able to turn them off in account settings.

>boosted is stupid, pointless and wasted real estate

i think its a nice non intrusive way to earn money for the site, people don't survive on nothing but gratitude so the alternatives are worse like fees per order. if people wanna scam they will regardless, being forced to at least pay up seems like a good enough deterrent.

>The Proof thing is pointless, a lot of Traders have fake Twitter accounts or Dead Website links or some shitty Pseudo business website

the proof only serves a purpose if someone already has rep/identity somewhere else, then it serves its purpose. obviously proof alone does nothing, same applies to uploading a PGP and claim its owned by donald trump, if that key is also hosted on .gov site then the proof very much does works.

>None of what I wrote is Anti-Free Market Ideology

i think trying to ban people for markup and fees is very much anti free market :)

i think xmrbazzar has its issues but is the best we have by far. it gave me a way to easily get non KYC monero so its a success to me.

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Learn to type without unnecessarily Capitalizing random words In your sentences And perhaps I will take your Intelligence Seriously.

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Mar 26 18:51

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#1079

I don't think the problems raised in the OP are the main problems. I have lost interest in the site because the top listings in the boosted section are no longer interesting.

It was cool to see honey products right there at the top, or a bike, or land. That felt like a real marketplace and all in Monero. But when I arrive on the front page now, it's all SIMs, crypto swaps, SMS services, etc. Boring. As. Hell.

If I start a Monero marketplace, I would block those categories of listings and just have "wholesome" listings like pre-loved clothes, cheese, necklaces, etc. Make it like eBay but in XMR. It used to look far more inviting when it was like that.

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Mar 26 20:29

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#1080

Reply to post #1077

This literally is manipulation, groups of scammers and pseudo traders and pseudo businesses are
manipulating the markets. by charging fees aka taxes on P2P trades. and this is why nobody is trading on here, haveno, bisq. maybe 0.1 % of the listings are low fees, the rest are 3+% and/or a Markup
Cool, your opinion about it having character has nothing to do with the Tech and usefulness of it.

okay define Nice..... It's just your preferenc, but doesn't refute my claim of wasted real estate and used by bad actors.
its literally boosting scammers, pseudo exchanges and people promoting offsite websites,redirecting traffic to other websites.(did you even read what I wrote)

Why repeat what I wrote, just differently?

So you actually do not know what Free Market means
the early thinkers of the idea thought it needed some interention to be sustained
there needs to be constraints, otherwise it fails.

Last reply was just anecdotal.

adding a :) after argument, does not make your arguments valid.

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Apr 3 15:02

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#1105

As an entrepreneur myself I know things take their time.
I think that the implementation of messenger notifications etc is huge step forwards.
But I agree:

I hate to say but the UI is simple but the browsing is shitty. If this platform wants to provide a better UX we need better default page with the possibility to set a region as default search so see non digital listings, to encourage the hole p2p selling of goods like on eBay tax free (unless vendor) but using monero as payment.

Maybe make the default page when logged in into a proper dashboard split into header , your listings status and notifications regarding messages. than an physical goods section, a service section and than a digital goods section which are all searchable tabs like iframes or so. So the hole SMS , Crypto , Service what ever is split.
Physical goods has everyone, everyone needs monero. Promote selling of that stuff instead of mainly promoting boosted shit and digital products.

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Like, that's just your opinion, man.
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I wouldn't call it failed, persay. If something fails to meet your expectations, you should probably ask if your expectations are reasonable. Or more importantly, what you can do about it.

The OP seems pretty misinformed / trolley. Given the username... this makes sense

As far as Money changers taking a fee, I'd say yeah. Makes sense. They are providing liquidity, a service, value. It's not unreasonable for them to take a fee for it. If you think the fees are too high, then provide the service at a lower price.

As far as the boosted posts go... makes sense. They're trying to raise revenue to help build and support the site. Why are you bitching about this? If you don't like the services being promoted, make better ones then promote them.

As far as businesses being promoted... yeah. What's more P2P than that. "Hey y'all, go to that business' website, and buy their product with XMR".

... WHERE'S THE MIDDLEMAN? 🤦‍♂️

As far as the site goes... yeah, it looks like they need dev & moderation help.

🤷‍♂️ Be a lifter, not a leaner.

Edited: Apr 6 05:29

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