Scam reports to XmrBazaar Admin for investigation

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Oct 16 23:00

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Thank you for your constructive criticism! I’d like to take issue with a few points.

First, when I was checking out, TheAC suggested I use any name with his card. (This is a standard practice with virtual cards — the name is often not verified by the store at the time of purchase.) This has been the case for all our deals with TheAC from the very beginning: so there were no names to compare. I politely disagree with the claim that my lack of knowledge about his use of someone else’s account isn't accurate. Even if the name on the card had been shared with me this specific time, I wouldn’t have been able to verify it, since I don’t know TheAC’s real name.

I also initially suggested TheAC to purchase the item, but he offered me his card to make the purchase instead, because he “doesn't have time for that”. Even if he had made the purchase himself, all the parties would have been the same, as well as the outcome — the seller didn’t ship the item on time, and the money was refunded to the card. I don’t understand how arbitrarily refusing an XMR refund when fiat is refunded doesn’t qualify as a scam. Perhaps, scam is too strong wording — but it's clearly malicious activity? Eh, contrary to TheAC's claims, I have never received any proof his bank account was even closed.

Commenting TheAC's last answer, I'm frustrated TheAC is still trying to mock me and shift responsibility for the seller not sending an item on me. I must repeat myself here: I have chosen a well-rated seller and contacted them in advance to confirm they still have the item (I can share chat screenshots) — but seller's actions are outside of my control.

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Oct 16 23:21

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I also request his distorted manipulative review to be fixed

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Oct 16 23:54

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> Eh, contrary to TheAC's claims, I have never received any proof his bank account was even closed.

You didn't receive a proof or you don't consider it. Please clarify.

https://github.com/timvisee/send-instances/
https://send.cyberjake.xyz/download/bfca24756a25b92f/#zgbR8mje1I1lEXx7eZOVew

I did sent you a video with those 2 emails, reloading the page and doing the translation live + the PDF document. I will email them to confirm the card you paid with it was linked to this bank. But if we consider this real for this time being, your refund was issued 26 August, and that left only 1 day until 28 when the bank account was closed. I did a lot of payments and have a lot of experience with this, and so do you: if you don't believe me when I tell you on 28th there was no leftover of your refund in my bank, you should at least be honest with yourself because you know these these services will never ever process a refund less than 2 days, it takes about 5 usually.

➕ If you still have the card number I gave you to pay with (4609 5352 *** 0417), put it inside https://cardflo.io/tools/bin-checker and it will tell you what bank issued it. You can see is the same bank that got closed from the email I shared. I think this is a good enough proof for now I guess. But if you think it's just pure coincidence I will lose more time to email them.

Is not ok to share this much info publicly to be honest...

> I have chosen a well-rated seller and contacted them in advance (I can share chat screenshots) — but seller's actions are outside of my control.

You told me this refund was issued because the seller didn't have the product anymore to send it to you, which means you paid without doing due diligence first. I'm sorry from the bottom of my heart I didn't save that chat. So I would like some screenshoots if you have them, and who the seller is because I want him to confirm those screenshots are valid considering you have a service to fake KYC and considering this entire manipulation you crafted about me in this case.

Anyway, your fault or not, I didn't refuse to help you with you refund, nor wanted a fee from you. I only asked you to wait this being a complication. You seemed to believe you're entitled to force me to do stuff and lose time and support costs for your mistake (for what I know so far, excuse me if this will prove otherwise).

Edited: Oct 17 00:55

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Oct 17 09:48

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Thank you for the evidence that the bank account actually was closed. I find it satisfactory. In any case, if you use a purchased, borrowed, or KYC-verified bank account for proxy shopping, you are liable if it is closed — not the client. You bank account's closure or seller’s unexpected slowness are both not «my mistakes».

I also never said you that the seller didn’t have the item — he simply didn’t ship the merchandise on time. Here is the Vinted chat screenshot you asked me to share: https://files.egali.top/r/2g6bHJvM#CUyZqKuF7irY84X/BpBDJJVNX704AupY+KCc4W/PXEk=

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Oct 17 11:33

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Just to answer you coz you called me an alt, I am an alt, but not AkatheACs alt, I know more about you that youd end up calling it betrayal if I used my account,

My point is, I understand you suffer from some mental health, but the facts that have been laid bare point to you trying to manipulate. The only problem I see here is, both you and the other guy are somewhat important to this website, however, the admin, probably doesn't use their brain, they literally block/ban someone the moment some report is made, that's not cool at all. They have to at least investigate. Anyhow, my points on this reply are
1) AkatheAC is already answering for himself, so there is no need for me to alt for him,
2) why did you pay without confirming the item you were buying was present.
Im ready to tackle this issue head on, but I think there is a way for reputable members to Handle issues, otherwise this site will go to waste.
And if it's true he paid you $650 without getting any refund, bro, you need to be thankful, put your schizophrenia aside and be realistic

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aka_TheAC

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Oct 17 12:07

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I sent you that proof in way better shape on 28th of August, please stop making it look like I didn't because is not something you could've missed out or forget about. You just try to clean what you did for the past 3 days. Like you went so far to manipulate and etc to get the money (after I sent you 655$) because you had no proof. Common...

That screenshot you uploaded does not prove it. Unfortunately I also don't have a way to prove it you said you paid the guy without checking if he has the product available and you sure won't admit you did now in this situation because it does not benefit you considering you tried to make it look like I don't want to refund you because you don't want to pay me a fee... and that I somehow am the reason for why this refund was triggered and I just stole your money because I never gave you any proof of being a problem, and despite giving you back 650$, and what other lies you said that can be easier verified from your private discussion that I uploaded.

And please stop making it look like the problem is that I used a girlfriend's bank account or a friend or my moms or whatever. It would've been the same outcome even if it was mine: me having to spend time and money to deal with the fact that you payed a guy irresponsibly that lead to this refund in a bad moment. It's not your responsibility what and who you pay. If that's not your responsibility I don't see how it is mine. Ok. It's not your fault you said. If it's not your fault I don't see how it is mine either. I could argue that what you paid for is what triggered the bank account to get closed. Very unlikely, the bank won't tell me what's the reason, but is a 99% probability is because I do different payments for all sort of anon people who no matter how much I try to filter, some of them will be malicious. And you know that risk exists when you use a service like mine. If it's not your fault and not my fault. then I should not be forced to suffer because of it: that's why all I asked from you is to wait because I'm in bad period, low on time, this is complicated, etc. I did show you the proof of the problem and I did promise you will get your money even if it will take a bit, despite this not being my fault it happened. and asked to stop putting special terms and special demands and making threats creating me more problems and make me lost more time and money because that won't solve your issue faster (but slower). And I told you that if you will make this cost more for me, then you will be responsible to pay for it. And then I paid you 655$ + me keeping 200$ at your request with the agreement you will get it back if you help me get the 655$ back if needed. Then you did this extortion, to get the 200$ by force, and I have to pay that the @Admin said despite being against our two last agreements. So out of this wrong&bad thing that you did, you get what you want and I get fucked.

In the end if it's nobody's fault then it's everybody's fault and the responsibility should be shared to solve this. Clearly you don't want to assume any and put it all on me. Which I did take, up to what you did the last 3 days.

Edited: Oct 17 14:14

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Oct 17 12:42

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I called the bank at the time and asked if they can verify in the system if your refund came in and they say they no longer have access to the portal or history or anything of a closed bank account. It was complicated even to make them issue the statements that for some reason they did not send over email as PDF even if it was requested 3 times. The statements are at the bank branch. I only have to wait for the owner to get it, and after I get it to talk with the involved parties to get the money if it's in no mans land like I showed you proof of prior cases I had. If it was my account, I wouldn't have time for it either so it does not matter who's name is on the account.

You don't want to take any responsibility for this even if you are aware of the risks, and you know I'm not the fault your refund was triggered or that the bank account was closed, then all I asked for you is to be reasonable in the case of this service I offer for free and just please wait (as we have a track record of trust and I gave you enough proof to back this up). In the end I did offer you 655$ - 200$ deposit with the agreement you will help me get this if I need you, that was not enough either, you went to blackmail extortion manipulation etc creating me problems, making me waste a bunch of time (and money indirectly). If it's not your fault and not my fault is not right I'm the only one who's paying for it.

If I could prove what you told me in August, this would've been easier. The responsibility would've been more on your side, even if I did still do take charge of mine.

For what you did these days, I have no longer trust in you especially for how your profile is made to portray you in report to how you actually are. I can also argue you have a trust issue because you know you can't be trusted. That's why I ask you send this 655$ to XmrBazaar until this gets sorted out.

Edited: Oct 17 12:54

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Oct 17 14:33

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MY LAST WORDS

This is all from me in this current discussion. I don't have ANY MORE TIME to reply to any other allegations or whatever for now. For anyone interested just read our private chat and what was presented so far. If I'm asked to prove extra I will try.

I would like Pink to give us the entire discussion he had with the seller (and the name of the seller so we can verify because I cannot longer take his word for granted for the last 3 days of his lies), where he asks for the product availability and everything before paying; as in August he claimed he didn't check while he now claims he did even if he did not prove it yet. Until proven otherwise, this refund was issued because of him making an irresponsible p2p purchase without doing his due diligence before paying the seller.

A quick summary (as you can see in your private chat):
1 in response to his threats, I asked him to be reasonable and wait for a full refund as I didn't do anything wrong in this case to deserve anything else.
2 in continuation to his threats I told him that if he make me lose more (time and money) with this considering I didn't do anything wrong to deserve it, he will pay for it (200$ was a random anger number to motivate him to not go that route)
3. We agreed to give him 655$, with me keeping 200$ that I will return if he helps me get the other 655$ if needed.
4. He went and did all this extortion (check what he presented in report to what is in our private chat and what it was proven so far), breaking our point 3 agreement and triggering the one in number 2.

On my side I have to come up with those statements. I want Pink to send the 655$ to escrow until it is proven that money is at me or until we get it if it's prove it is not.

Edited: Oct 17 14:39

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Oct 17 15:04

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#2374

Can his review be edited to actually present the the truth?

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